“I put the whole lot on eBay. It must’ve been worth several hundreds of pounds, and I got about £30 back.” Today: Usborne & Forever Living ex-bots speak

 

In this post, we’re combining 2 stories from some of the women who have come to us.  The first story is from someone in Usborne books, and the second is from an ex-rep of Forever Living.  Read on…

Back in 2013, I had a little part-time business selling gift baskets & pamper hampers, which I used to sell at craft fairs, community events, etc. Whilst at one, I met an Usborne seller, who was keen to tell me about the benefits of working for them & that I could do it alongside my full-time job and part-time biz. I had no experience of MLMs, but have always loved books, and thinking this was a long established, reputable firm, I signed up.

 

I got a few orders from friends & family, but could not do school events, coffee mornings etc due to my f/t job. I tried numerous times to book into local weekend events, but most times, my manager or one of her friends had got there first. I started to struggle, but then got offered (and pretty much told to take) a summer fete at the nursery half a mile from my house. I was delighted and put everything into making it a great event. When it came around, it was a burning hot day & I was based outside. People kept coming to look at the books, but no-one was interested in buying, which was pretty depressing. I then got told by someone that worked there that the manager’s friend had been in that week and secured a several hundred pound order – hence no-one wanting to buy!

 

A few months later, the manager asked me to cover another event for her as she’d double booked, and yep, similar thing happened. Eventually, after months of battling to try & get orders from my locality, I decided to quit. I tried selling my stock at a discounted rate to other sellers, including my manager, but all said they didn’t need it. So, wanting rid, I put the whole lot on eBay. It must’ve been worth several hundreds of pounds, and I got about £30 back. And who bought it? Yep, the manager who didn’t need anything.

 

So yes I was naive, but even with a decent biz brain & lots of motivation, all I did was lose money. The obsession, as with all these companies was recruit, recruit, recruit, but there was no way I would rip friends off, so I lost out. Moral of the story is don’t assume that these long-running companies have any more integrity than the Youniques and Juice Plus Types, because in my experience, they don’t xx.

 

The End.

 

“She wanted me to register my husband as an FBO in order to get the 2cc’s she needed to obtain her promotion and she would pay me and transfer the £199 it would cost to do that.”

 

Hiiiiiiiii Huuuun!
So, just over a year ago I became a victim of the fucking shit “company” known as Forever Living so I thought I would share my (fairly long) story with you. Sorry!!!

 

Having sat on my ass enjoying the high life for approximately 8 months longer than my husband ideally wanted, my sister in law told me about this”ammmmaaaaazzzzzziiinnnngggggg” business opportunity. Fuckever Living as it’s known in my household.
At £199 to initially start up the alarm bells were already starting to ring but being family, I didn’t feel I could back out.

Endless bullshit you tube training video later I was even more dubious – I actually think I’m a fairly happy person 80% of the time and don’t need to watch “the secret” every morning at 6am, I mean Jesus, I have two kids and a husband that require dressing and feeding – who seriously has time for that shit?????
My area was new to FL so I found it pretty easy to sell the products and done pretty well within the first 4 weeks and got myself a “promotion” to supervisor.
I was always a little aware of the ‘higher archly’, being my manager and golden sodding eagle or whatever she was because frankly I thought she was a patronising twat, so I never ever posted anything on the “secret” groups. I was never congratulated for making them shit loads of money because it was made quite aware to me that my face and my Facebook profile didn’t fit and/or meet requirement. (Sometimes I just wanted to tell the world what a fucking shite day I was having!!!!!!!!!!)

I did however enter the every single incentive they did (who doesn’t like a freebie) and never got a single thing.
So I kept a suspiciously close eye on these “amaaaaazzzzing incentives” and found one that I knew I would qualify for:
If you earned 12 cc’s before the 15th of the month you would be taken on a log cabin retreat. I knew that I had managed to do that and low and behold after several messages to the “senior manager” the trip was “postponed due to illness”. I then started messaging other fbo’s who I didn’t know to find out whether they had received their “prize” and guess what NOPE!!!

A week later another bogus incentive for a spa weekend presented itself via FB and so I commented on it telling everyone not to waste there damn energy and for the love of god go and spend some time with their families.
Obviously, after that I had an email from a forever “official” and a few pushed off messages from my team manager (ignored).
After that I pretty much sacked it off until I had a phone call from my then assistant manager ask me for a HUGE favour….
She wanted me to register my husband as an FBO in order to get the 2cc’s she needed to obtain her promotion and she would pay me and transfer the £199 it would cost to do that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA – NO!!!!!

The day after that I cancelled my registration with them and now continually spam the sites & pages until I get thrown off of them.
Dickheads, all them!

READ: “I did research but I let my heart overtake my head…” a new story from an ex-Younique bot

I’m a 29 year old law student.. yep in 3rd year.. graduating in June and I got sucked in .. big time by younique.   I did research but I let my heart overtake my head and now I’m in debt and feeling like I’ve failed..

From the off my wife to be thought it was a cult and tbh she was right … but I was too invested money and pride wise to admit it.. Younique came with instant friends and lovely make up .. little did I know I’d be traveling to Birmingham and pay for what essentially a marketing/brainwashing event.. Yet I ploughed on via FB and home parties and leaflet drops and made nothing .. I did all the self development = aggressive bullshit which soul destroys you and followed the training to the letter .. yep a ready made younique bot.

Tonight I got a message confirming it all my upline – telling me I’m about to suspend and that I need £150 of products to stay active! This is after purchasing stock off other presenters/eBay.. getting a card reader and by traveling 50 miles to do a party that no one spent a penny on.

I’ve felt under constant pressure and like I couldn’t escape for a while and now I’ve cracked! I’m feeling ashamed, worthless, failure and am bloody sick of self development bullshit! I think going from a kid with very few G.C.S.Es to graduating law school in a matter of months is self developed .

Please share my story so others don’t get sucked in and they don’t get emotionally and mentally damaged!

Omg I’m so sorry xxx we are here if you need to vent. Does your wife know?

-Timeless Vie

Thank you so much x yeah she’s been fantastic .. even though I’ve had chemo this year I thought I could change things by doing younique but I’ve finally broke free xx

Also can you let people know that when you decide to leave the emotional blackmail piles on x

We asked Em for an example of the kind of emotional blackmail and she sent us this screenshot:

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We’re going to do something a bit different with this story.   Our informer gave us access to the training she was given by her upline before she quit, and we’ve spent a bit of time downloading, screenshotting and ripping vids.   What we’ve found is very interesting, we think.

So far we’ve found:

  • A video that tells Younique bots to hold ‘fundraisers’ as a way to create more customers
  • A video that tells Younique bots to say that Younique products are cruelty-free, even though they have no CF certification
  • As above, same for vegan, etc.
  • A video that implies Younique bots have to spend $125 USD every 3 months to stay active.
  • A shitload of scripts about how to approach different kinds of people.
  • A motherload of info about how to build a ‘team’ and an acknowledgement that to make real money, you need a multitude of mini-bots to live off.

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“I realised that to get to a higher level in the company, it was necessary to recruit people that you knew were going to fail. ..” A new informer, and single mum, from Forever Living tells her story

This particular tale of woe began in February 2014. I was in year two of my university degree, working part time and had become a single parent a couple of months before. I had a random message on facebook from a good friend and former colleague of mine asking me to host a party for her, as she had just started selling a line of beauty/nutrition products. As a former beautician and sports enthusiast, this seemed like a great idea.

Well, out came the famous green table cloth, aloe vera shots and free facials, much to the distress of my younger brother and a male friend who were the only ones to attend! Out of embarrassment at the poor turn out, I listened to the sale pitches, plastered face masks on my brother and dear friend (Note: face masks and beards don’t get along…) and purchased a clean nine.

I completed the programme, and naively believed that it had done me a lot of good as not surprisingly, glugging down laxatives and water for nine days, and consuming meals and shakes that only add up to just over half of your daily calorie allowance per day makes you lose weight!

The friend I had purchased the clean nine from then got on to the classic recruitment pitches. I was an obvious target retrospectively, I had worked with her doing beauty and sports massage therapy some years ago. As I knew she was a fairly successful business woman prior to Forever living, I trusted her. There was of course the added bonus that I would be selling products alongside a good friend. I signed up, parted with my £200 and eagerly awaited the arrival of my box of aloe vera everything.

In my first month, with only two weeks after I joined to make the fabled “4cc” I did 7.5cc in personal sales (rather a lot, in pounds sterling, but I can’t remember how the forever monopoly money translates into actual currency!) I say this not as a boast, I’m not proud I made my friends drink aloe vera gloop to prove how much they truly loved me, but because I want to outline the fact that I am a capable seller and my dislike of this business isn’t down to being bitter because I couldn’t sell anything.

The business model sets you up for failure. (because it’s not a business – Timeless Vie)

I began my recruitment pitches, discovered I was actually pretty good at it and ended up with a team of over 20 people. I got to supervisor level, went to success day, and was stood up to be applauded for my efforts like a small child. I got a badge too. Cool.

Where did it go wrong, I hear you cry?! Well, I always questioned some of the business practices. The first being “PUPP boxes” in which you deliver free products for your friends/neighbours/second cousin’s dog to try and hope to God they don’t use them all or never give them back. Having had a small business before I felt this was a ridiculous idea and simply a way for the people up the line/*cough* PYRAMID to get more money out of you.

The second was the use of “case credit” value attached to products. I felt this was a very clever mechanism to encourage people to forget they are spending actual real money, and get them into buying products to score “points” to get them up the recruitment ladder. The fake it till you make it thing really bugged me too. Horrible deceptive practice. I tried to advise my team to keep records of their incomings and outgoings because I genuinely didn’t want them to lose money. I also discouraged buying products unless they were attached to a genuine customer order. Little did I know, this would be of no help whatsoever in this kind of marketing structure and social environment.

The big issues with the company, however, surfaced when I started to see my friends fail. I remember seeing one of them sat in a pub with all her products around her, with no interest at all. She left having wasted her time and money, feeling totally depressed and deflated because of me. That didn’t feel good.

I saw people I cared about trying to sell products in a saturated market place, getting nowhere. I realised that to get to a higher level in the company, it was necessary to recruit people that you knew were going to fail. Not cool. It was at this point I looked at my own books, despite meeting with sales targets every month since I began and not over spending on products I was at a £300 loss myself.

There were several factors at play, such as cost of postage which forever charges on all web orders, cost of travel to deliver them, marketing materials, websites such as ‘forever 360’ alongside ‘forever knowledge’ and ‘QLS’ training materials. It all built up and blew the feeble commission percentage out the water pretty fast. This had been a total obsession for eight months of my life but my eyes were open. I began watching back videos of the leaders of the business, with a more critical eye and realised how full of rubbish it all was.

I have seen more drawbacks from buying into this ‘business’ than I could count. I saw one lady outside at a success day who had just got off the phone from paying a credit card bill because she had bought her way to ‘supervisor’ level and was still paying off the costs. The social pressure to get sales is that intense she was prepared to put herself into debt just to get a pin badge and certificate. She wasn’t the only one. I’ve experienced immense pressure from uplines, who are no doubt desperate to pay off their own bills, to buy product and sell it on later to get ccs. I’ve seen women back biting and treading on each other like nothing I’ve ever experienced. I’ve seen worse when people leave. It creates a massive blame culture which isn’t unique to forever living, but to the marketing structure it uses and the psychological techniques it implements. It’s ugly.

All I can say is, if you are involved in any MLM, even if you are not prepared to leave. Please be critical and cautious. They tell you to remain positive because if you don’t, you’ll open your eyes and realise you’ve lost friends and money. Many people in MLM are talented, hardworking people and these skills are transferrable to valid business ventures in which you take home the profit and use your talent. There is no way I’d be prepared to face that kind of pressure, stay on my phone 24 hours a day and peddle a product I make nothing out of but lost friends and an empty pocket ever again.

“I felt like I was in an exclusive club” – An ex-Younique bot, and new mum, tells ALL

I first heard about Younique when my Facebook feed was bombarded with posts from two old school friends.

I was on maternity leave at the time with my 4 month old and hated the prospect of going back to work. My friends were pushing the mascara as it was about to be relaunched with ‘new and improved’ ingredients but I really couldn’t justify spending £23 on something I could get for a quarter of that price! However, there was a deal running on the presenters joining kit which meant I could get two mascaras and more makeup worth over £150 for £69 (allegedly – Timeless Vie) so I decided to join to get the half price makeup but never wanted to be active.

I was added to all the presenter groups and warmly welcomed by hundreds of lovely women, I felt like I was in an exclusive club! There was lots of chatter on the groups, lots of motivational talk and some of the women had brilliant tips and tricks so I decided that I was going to use my time off work to build up my business.

I was made to feel that I could be a total success and now that I had my daughter I thought it would be lovely to be able to work from home. I threw myself into the social media marketing, promoting the products on Facebook whenever my baby was asleep, adding lots of new Facebook friends, making connections and messaging all the women on my friends list! My exclusive purple and green elite leaders had hundreds of files to follow that could be copied and pasted into messages and as statuses, this was certain to make us hugely successful as long as we kept at it!

I posted on Facebook, instagram and twitter, making my Facebook profile all about positivity; we were told never to write anything negative as we were meant to look like we were loving life constantly, people would join us if they thought we were living the dream!

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I bought lots of makeup for myself to try out so I could tell people all about it. I actually found a lot of the products sub par to the drugstore equivalents that I had been using and claims that the eyeshadows didn’t crease or the lipstains didn’t budge were false.

It didn’t take me long to realise that most of the presenters were struggling to sell anything.

It was about 6 weeks after joining when I felt like I was putting hours of time in each day and getting little to no sales that I reached out to my sponsor and my green elite. Turns out my sponsor was struggling just like me, she had started to put a lot of her own money into promoting the products, buying a stall at craft fairs and giving out free samples to entice people to buy but I had already spent a lot of money on products..I didn’t want to spend more before making any! My green elite and purple leaders didn’t have anything productive to say, the message was just to keep at it, message a hundred women a day and ‘fake it til you make it!’ They seemed to only be interested in the presenters that were making money lining their pockets!

I was told to get out more and talk to people about the makeup, at baby groups, the supermarket, anywhere I could strike up a conversation and sell, sell sell! When I posted on the groups saying I wasn’t keen on some of the products, a lot of the presenters agreed but we had to pretend to love everything, the only thing I liked was the mascara and I didn’t want to promote a product that I didn’t like, especially when they were so overpriced!

In September they launched their first liquid foundation and concealer. I so desperately wanted to love them but the concealer was so thick it caked on my skin and the foundation either slid off or cracked and separated on my skin within hours. When I posted to other presenters about my problems, the majority found the same! All these amazing after photos are taken immediately after application, it doesn’t show that it looks awful within an hour.

(Timeless Vie – like this foundation comparison below.  Guess which foundation had the most oil & the least pigment…)

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After a couple of months I was spending so much time on social media trying to sell and/or recruit that I was actually neglecting my new daughter! I decided then that I was not going to dedicate any more time or money as it just wasn’t worth it. As I then didn’t sell anything in three months my presenter status was suspended and then cancelled another three months later. The two old school friends that were doing well with Younique have since quit and jumped ship to a brand new MLM company, without even trying the products first!

I think this just shows that things aren’t always as they seem and direct sales is very fickle. I kept using the mascara after I left but the latest one dried out very quickly and was clumpy with a lot of fall out so I threw it out. I will never use a Younique product again and advise everyone not to bother. They are no better and often worse than much cheaper drugstore products, they are certainly not high end. I would never join a MLM company again either, the compensation is minuscule for the amount of work that has to go in and they have such a bad reputation that I now actively avoid them!

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PART 3: An Arbonne seller asks our informer to use her NHS position to convince women to join. She also offers to pay for it. Read on…

 

A few weeks ago I got to see from the other side an example of how some of these MLM people tick.

I work part time in the NHS and two days of my week are spent working in private practice.

I was approached by an Arbonne seller.

She would be classed as a success in Arbonne terms as she has the White Mercedes (no doubt paid for on a month by month basis until the day she misses her targets).  She is a friend of a friend, she know what I do but doesn’t know my opinions on what she does, in fact as far as she’s concerned I don’t know anything about her.

 

Her proposal was that if I could make them see the light through psychological means (I think she had the idea that I practise some sort of mind control) then we could split the difference on what we charged them for me seeing them.  She proposed we charged them £80 for the hour, I keep £60 and she have £20.

 

She came to me with a proposal saying that she had a training company that teaches women (ah, that demographic again) to have the confidence to take up opportunities (clearly not quite true).  She was finding that some of them ‘really need a confidence boost’ and how would I feel about her referring some of them to me?

Her proposal was that if I could make them see the light through psychological means (I think she had the idea that I practise some sort of mind control) then we could split the difference on what we charged them for me seeing them.  She proposed we charged them £80 for the hour, I keep £60 and she have £20.

This could be sold as therapy ‘because you really need to sort yourself out’ (but would be carefully modelled coercion).  ‘I can pass lots of work your way’ she told me.

 

She said that the emphasis was to help them to sell this opportunity on to other people as an exercise in ’empowerment’.

 

I asked her what she expected me to do exactly and what exactly was the goal?  Basically, she wanted me to manage away any rational questioning about joining Arbonne and to use an aggressive and didactic argument to get them to sign on the dotted line.

She wanted to give me a tight script full of persuasion and counter argument to any doubts.  She wanted me to use my position as a psychotherapist (and she was keen to flag my NHS status too) to basically bully people to join Arbonne by using her crib sheet of false promises and keep them in the system under pressure by using a particular form of victim blaming, ‘tell me, what is your particular negative self talk that means you could walk away from this really amazing chance?’.

She said that the emphasis was to help them to sell this opportunity on to other people as an exercise in ’empowerment’.  I asked her what would happen if it was clear to me that someone was not in a position to take part because they were emotionally vulnerable.

She felt that this was an ideal exploitable area in that we could demonstrate the great positive hope they would gain by joining up and any depression or anxiety could be used to our advantage.  The more vulnerable the better.

 

This was totally unethical, outside the ethics of the professional body the governs my work and something I would never ever entertain.  I have yet to respond to her but I will and I doubt she’ll be happy to hear my thoughts.  What it did do is confirm all of my beliefs about the real danger these schemes pose to many people but particularly women.  This isn’t empowerment, it’s deceitful fraud and whatever these schemes say about the ethical standards they insist upon, it’s very clear they encourage something something very different at ground level.

The End.

This is why we need real data about the effect multi-level marketing, network-marketing, social selling, whatever the fuck-schemes have on communities. This is why. 

Studies by Direct Sales Associations will claim these schemes create money for communities, but is that really true?  What is the true impact? No one knows.  Maybe it’s time we found out.

 

 

“She no longer leaves the house unless with her mother and her mother has to take the children to school.” another story from our NHS insider about the negative impact of network marketing schemes on women, PART TWO

*names and locations have been changed to preserve privacy

 

This could be done from home, only required social media skills, a relatively small outlay and the profits were good; the woman at the nursery had made £800 the month before and was offering to train her.

 

Kelly* was a stay at home mother with two under fives.  I first spoke to her during a telephone assessment soon after she was referred.  During the conversation she said that she’d always struggled with lack of confidence and in recent years had struggled to leave the house.

Taking her oldest child to nursery had been a big struggle every day.  However she confessed that she was not sure she needed our help now as things had got a lot better and she felt a bit of a fraud taking up my time.

I asked her what had changed.

She told me that she had been approached two weeks previously by a really friendly mother at the nursery who had invited her to a gathering where make up was being sold.  It was more expensive than she could afford to buy but there wasn’t much stopping her selling it.  This could be done from home, only required social media skills, a relatively small outlay and the profits were good; the woman at the nursery had made £800 the month before and was offering to train her.

My job isn’t to tell people what to do or not do, I’m not a debt advisor so I all I could say to her was that she should do her research, look on the Internet at alternative opinions, adopt a cynical head.   She said that she would do her research but everyone was saying what a good idea it was.  She asked to be discharged.

 

Six months down the line and she’s now back in the system

 

Six months down the line and she’s now back in the system.  She’s had another telephone assessment with someone else and been assigned to me.  She no longer leaves the house unless with her mother and her mother has to take the children to school.  She says she needs to sort out her anxiety as she needs to get a job.  She had her own business but unfortunately it went wrong leaving her with some debt and difficulties with former business partners…

 

 I’ve had a number of clients tentatively try to recruit me

 

These are just two examples of interactions I’ve had with clients involved with MLMs.

I’ve become increasingly angry about the culture they’ve created that means people act in increasingly desperate ways to recruit and to sell.  I’ve had a number of clients tentatively try to recruit me and I’ve heard some desperately inaccurate and downright dangerous health claims.

I don’t blame these people, I blame the dishonest and unethical MLMs who target and draw in vulnerable groups and it’s a scandal that these companies’ tentacles reach into the NHS, whether it be setting up stands in hospital foyers, donating ‘wellness’ snacks to blood donation services or misappropriating research in order to promote their baseless products.

To be Continued.

 

“She had considered suicide…” an NHS therapist speaks about the impact of social selling schemes on women, PART ONE

*names and locations have been changed to preserve privacy

 

What I have seen during my time in mental health services has led me to really loathe theese organisations for their secrecy

 

Two or three years ago if you’d asked me what I thought of multi level marketing I wouldnt have had an opinion and being naturally cynical I probably would have dismissed it as ‘too good to be true’ and not given it too much more thought.  But that was before I started work as a High Intensity Therapist within the NHS in the North of England.

What I have seen during my time in mental health services  has led me to really loathe these organisations for their secrecy and lies at the recruitment stage and their culture of shifting the blame to the individual when their unworkable scheme is unsuccessful.

Since MLMs have come to my attention I’ve started to look more closely at their practices and the behaviour they encourage in their ’employees’.

 

My client group is 70% female and of that percentage most are women with new babies or young families….looking back over the last few years I realise how often my clients have been targets for MLMs.

 

I work with people experiencing depression (such as post natal depression) and anxiety disorders (OCD, GAD, social anxiety, health anxiety, PTSD).  My client group is 70% female and of that percentage most are woman with new babies or young families.

I see a high number of clients and looking back over the last few years I realise how often my clients have been targets for MLMs.  Names kept popping up, paricularly Juice plus, Forever Living and Younique.

The people I see are no fools but they tend to be from low income families and often without a background that will equip them to ask the right sort of questions when a big shiny pushy MLM comes along and makes them promises about the level of income they’ll earn for a few flexible hours.

Some of my clients have already been struggling with their mental health when they have been targeted but some have ended up being referred to my service by their GP as a direct result of falling foul of these organisations.

 

One client had been recruited by Forever Living through a baby group

 

One client had been recruited by Forever Living through a baby group formed through the hospital where she had given birth.  Her experience of birth had been traumatic and she was struggling, feeling guilty and depressed that she wasn’t ‘a good enough mother’ and wondering if she’d ever get back to normality.  FL had quite a presence in the group and as it wasn’t feasible to return to her job in retail when her partner was away a lot with work, she decided to give it a go.

 

She said she hadn’t understood recruitment was key..

 

When I saw the client she was a year down the road, quite seriously depressed and now socially isolated, having suffered severe bullying by her up line and then social media exclusion when she couldn’t or wouldn’t push hard to recruit.

She said it was like a feeding frenzy; everybody panicking, trying to recruit everyone in their circle.

She said she hadn’t understood that recruitment was key.

She had quite considerable money worries and the few hundred pounds a month she said she’d earned initially trickled away in expenses.  Her partner was angry with her for making their precarious financial position even more so and she felt that there was no hope for her as she was ‘useless’ and ‘everyone hated her’.

 

She had considered suicide during the worst of the bullying

 

She had considered suicide during the worst of the bullying but her daughter was a protective factor and she’d stopped just short of following through with a specific plan.

She’d tried to seek some support from within FL but had been offered further costly training and told that ‘you’ve been given a great opportunity don’t waste it’.  She felt that she had all the responsibility to make it work but in the end no authority and when it was clear it wasn’t working everyone held her at arms length.

She was told quite categorically not to discuss problems with anyone and found this very isolating.

It took quite a few sessions to reframe her experience and for her to see that she was not 100% responsible for the lack of success and that she needed to reconnect with her family and friends so that the people bullying her from FL had less power.

To be Continued.

 

“I have started seeing more and more of my blind friends getting sucked in by MLMs”…Are MLMs targeting the disabled? New Ex-Bot Tell-All

Many thanks to this informer for stepping forward.

 

1story

 

I’m blind, so I am by default, along with many other disabled people, unemployable to the average employer.

 

2story

 

Like me, they’ve found the job market hostile and see MLMs as equal opportunity organizations.

 

3story

 

As a rep you’re being told by your upline that every minute of every day is an opportunity to sell and recruit.

 

4story

 

5story

 

I had to hire a friend who had to help me resign as an FLP rep

 

6story

 

MLMs are gaining momentum and if the situation don’t improve for disabled people, they may be lured in and lose money on a scheme…

 

7story

“Post on FB about how the company can cure & treat all kinds of illnesses” – An ex-Bot from Ariix speaks.

Another ex-Bot has come forward, this time from Ariix.   Our questions and her responses are below.  Enjoy!

How did you get sucked in?

 

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What promises were made?

 

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Did you make money?

 

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This is the Ariix Pricelist for the UK

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Ariix presentation here

How were you treated?

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EXCLUSIVE: Read the messages Candice, an ex-bot with Forever Living, received after the Daily Mail article.

Read the original article in the Daily Mail here.

We were aware some weeks before the DM article came out that Candice was going public with her story and we’ve been keeping tabs on her ever since – mainly because we weren’t sure what kind of reaction she was going to get, and we wanted her to know we supported her 100%.

We didn’t need to worry – the reaction has mostly been very positive for Candice and negative towards Forever Living and MLMs in general, YAY!!!

Now, we bring you some of the messages Candice has received since she opened up about her experience in Forever Living.  We think they are very enlightening and a powerful testament to how many people are silently suffering in MLMs and are looking for a way out.

 

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“I was going to ask who your upline was and whether we have the same one”

 

 

And inevitably, there was hate mail from a couple of furious Bots who saw their possible downlines tricking away…….

First off, Passive-Aggressive Denial Bot:

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And finally, Super Classy Rage Bot – cos nothing says ‘good PR for your MLM’ like calling someone a cunt.

 

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“shot with bags of your own shit”.   We’re not going forget that line for a while.

Finally, a word to anyone stuck in an MLM, in debt, afraid, and possibly isolated from friends and family: we are here for you and so are our supporters.  Please don’t feel you are trapped.  Even if you’ve lost a lot of money, better to quit now, get out of the toxic MLM of lies than continue on.  We are thinking of you.  We are here for you.

Bravo again to Candice.  You are a LEGEND.