1 Small Town with 11 Competing Online Younique Parties & 30 Younique reps

….And 10 other MLMs actively trying to recruit.

This a continuation of the series of posts started by Kate Dyson of the Motherload & Timeless Vie (Katiepeakoe).

Part one & Part two are below:

Network Marketing: A Cult for Mums

How Mormons, network marketing & social media combine to sell women a false dream

I first noticed Miramichi when I was on Younique’s “find a sponsor” map and saw it had a crazy number of Younique reps for the size.

Miramichi has just over 17,000 inhabitants.  A check of Google Earth reveals a small town that’s flat but very green – large lots with small houses from every decade.  Like many towns in this part of east-coast Canada, it has been exporting it’s young people out West to the oilfields of Alberta. But this town – like the province it’s in – has fallen on hard times.   It has an unemployment rate of 13% in June 2017

Miramichi’s job board on FB is mostly service jobs – waitress, food service, health workers, caregivers, typically low-paid.

So does it make sense that there are not 1, not 2, not 3 but 30 Younique reps and reps from Stella & Dot, Monat, Epicure, Usborne Books, Jamberry, Mary friggin Kay,  Party Lite, Norwex, Doterra & Plexus?

Of the 30 Younique reps, 10 of them were holding online Younique parties at the same time in Mirimichi.  One rep was holding 2 at the same time.

 

Presenter status comments  Starter Kit  active per 3 months
Presenter 1 white profile is private, no known group  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 2 white unclear if active  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 3 white has a younique party online. Has earned 6 party points and is the only contributor.  Party closes 24 june 2017 younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 4 yellow shares a lot of other MLM pages – pearl opening parties (Dxx’s Precious Reveals), usborne books, tupperware, etc. on her FB page.  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 5 yellow 21 people liked her younique FB page.  No likes on her posts  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 6 white very little on FB page, no party.  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 7 pink has a younique party online.  Has earned 73 party points.  Only contributor is Dxxx.  Party open until 22 June 2017.  Works as a cashier. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 8 white has no party.  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 9 yellow very few likes on her Younique posts – average 1 or none per post  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 10 white follows a lot of top shills in Younique & Dxxx’s precious reveals – pearl party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 11 blue has FB group with 182 members.  No likes on any of her recent posts.  Has an open Younique Kudos party that is currently open with no sales. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 12 white Has a fb group called Presenter 12’s Online Younique party.  18 members.  Last post was January.  A friend posts for her – things like this: “Check out the new skin care line. It’s to die for. Message Presenter 12 if you are interested in them.”  “Let’s help Presenter 12 earn some Younique cash”  Group was created in Sep 2016. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 13 orange Posts a lot on her regular FB page & insta.  Gets a fair bit of engagement.  Is running an online Younique party that is done on 20 June 2017.  The party has made 73 party points and the only contributor is Presenter 13. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 14 yellow can’t find much info on FB page  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 15 white Also does Scentsy too.  Has a closed Younique FB group with 339 members.  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 16 white has closed Younique FB group with 12 members.  Shares peal party openings  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 17 yellow could not find info  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 18 white no info  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 19 blue has Younique group with 429 members.  Last posted feb when she listed a bunch of products for sale.   Presenter 30 (white status Younique rep) a member of this group- possible downline?.  No interest in Younique kudos party from this year. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 20 white has 2 younique online parties going.  One finishes on 19 june, one on 24 june 2017.  First party has had no sales.  Second party has no sales. younique party x 2  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 21 white has younique online party that expires on 22 June 2017.  No sales so far. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 22 white  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 23 white had party for friend rxx bxxx, made 9190 points.  3 contributors.  Posted party in facebook group for people to sell in Miramichi. younique party is over  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 24 yellow is doing a party for Mxxx and has a FB group for this.  No likes so far. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 25 white has a Younique online party that ends on 20 June 2017.  has no sales. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 26 pink no info  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 27 white does not appear to be active  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 28 green has an online Younique party ending 22 June 2017.  Has no sales. younique party  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 29 blue seems to have genuine artistic talent.   Had a younique online party and made 180 party points.  Presenter 29 was the only contributor. younique party is over  $     119.00  $     125.00
Presenter 30 white no info/member of blue status Presenter facebook group, possible upline?  $  3,451.00  $  3,625.00

 

This was the result:

Of the 10 parties currently active in Miramichi, not one had made the minimum 200 pt requirement.

Younique party info

youniquepartyinfo

 

PARTY OUTCOME

Presenter status comments  Starter Kit  active per 3 months Party Outcome
Presenter 3 white has a younique party online. Has earned 6 party points and is the only contributor.  Party closes 24 june 2017  $     119.00  $     125.00 6 pts – Presenter 3 is only contributor
Presenter 7 pink has a younique party online.  Has earned 73 party points.  Only contributor is Dxxx.  Party open until 22 June 2017.  Works as a cashier.  $     119.00  $     125.00 73 pts, 1 contributor.
Presenter 11 blue has FB group with 182 members.  No likes on any of her recent posts.  Has an open Younique Kudos party that is currently open with no sales.  $     119.00  $     125.00  0 pts.
Presenter 13 orange Posts a lot on her regular FB page & insta.  Gets a fair bit of engagement.  Is running an online Younique party that is done on 20 June 2017.  The party has made 73 party points and the only contributor is Presenter 13.  $     119.00  $     125.00 73 pts, Presenter 13 is only contributor.
Presenter 20 white has 2 younique online parties going.  One finishes on 19 june, one on 24 june 2017.  First party has had no sales.  Second party has no sales.  $     119.00  $     125.00 2 parties, 0 pts.
Presenter 21 white has younique online party that expires on 22 June 2017.  No sales so far.  $     119.00  $     125.00 0 pts.
Presenter 24 yellow is doing a party for Mxxx and has a FB group for this.  No likes so far.  $     119.00  $     125.00 0 pts.
Presenter 25 white has a Younique online party that ends on 20 June 2017.  has no sales.  $     119.00  $     125.00 0 pts.
Presenter 28 green has an online Younique party ending 22 June 2017.  Has no sales.  $     119.00  $     125.00 0 pts.
Presenter 29 blue seems to have genuine artistic talent.   Had a younique online party and made 180 party points.  Presenter 29 was the only contributor.  $     119.00  $     125.00 180 pts.  Presenter 29 only contributor

 

Of the 10 parties, in 3 of them the only buyer was the presenter herself.  7 of the parties had made 0 sales.  If we include the parties where the presenter bought items herself, 10 of the parties had made 0 sales in the time period we checked them. 

In each case the women had purchased starter kits and then had to make sure to generate a certain amount of points every 3 months to stay ‘active’.  The estimated amounts are shown in the table.

All these little payments of money – micro-losses, micro-scams – when added together are thousands.  1000’s of dollars that could have gone to local business in Miramichi, education, or savings.

This time I also decided to look at other MLMs – I assembled what data I could by searching on FB for bots from different companies living in Miramichi.  In some cases I found them though other bots’ friends’ lists.   I’ve put what I found about each one below.

 

STELLA & DOT HUN

She paid $199 to join

Has to generate 500 PVQ every 3 months to stay active.  500 PVQ is approximately $633.60 in Cdn dollars (exhange rate between US & Canadian dollars taken from Bank of Canada website) cos 1 PVQ = 1 USD.

Her FB info:

facebook group for selling.  Not much interest.  Only likes appear to be from her upline in Toronto, Hailey Verity.    Group has 123 members but not much sign of engagement.

Stella and Dot hunfo

Most active S&D consultants in Canada, who didn’t have teams, earned $1481 per year.  The recruiting STARS earned a whopping $10,567 per year which is totally a retirement income in…..ah….er…????

 

MONAT HUNS

Another MLM selling naturally based products blah blah.

Monat Hun 1 not a lot of interest in her FB group
Monat Hun 2 has her own FB group

They each paid at least $125 dollars to join.  Must sell 200 PV per month to be active.  No explanation about what PV is, but most likely 1 PV = 1 USD which is typical of most US based MLMs.

Monat hunfo

 

EPICURE HUN

Epicure is a Canadian MLM.

Epicure hunfo

Her FB info:

Epicure Kitchen – 465 people like page.  Last posted Feb 2017/ had a house fire april.  Runs a lot of competitions to move stock/get interest.

She paid at least $99 to join.

 

USBORNE BOOKS HUN

$79.95 to join

Must sell $500 in the previous 6 months to be active.  If you fail the target they set, they charge you for the full cost of the books.

Usborne books hunfo

68 members of her Usborne Books FB group.

JAMBERRY HUN

To join – $99

To stay “active” the hun must generate $250 Cdn per month in sales.

Jamberry hunfo

Her FB info:

calls herself “Jamberry Independent Team Manager”.  305 likes of page.
last post was asking people to show their best jamberry mani of the month for june. You will win a prize!  No likes or comments.  Post on june 4th
does have some engagement on her other posts, as well as no interest on others.
has a “VIP” group
One woman, HXX HXX from Miramichi, seemed interested in knowing more
also posts trying to sell in Miramichi direct sales
MXXX’s June VIP Jam-bourri!  – party

A Typical Participant in the Jamberry plan in 2014 earned between C$81 and C$1,221 in commissions.

 

MARY KAY HUNS

Miramichi had the luck of having 2 Mary Kay reps trying to sell makeup along with 30 Younique ones.  They each had spent at least $75 to join.

To get commissions, they HAD to have at least 1 recruit.  Must sell $225 per 3 months to stay active as well.

MK admits most women earn “in excess of $100 per year!” !!!!

Mary Kay hunfo

How were the 2 MK huns doing?

has MK facebook page.  44 likes.
has MK facebook page, 14 likes.

For more info on MK, read this.

I couldn’t find much info on the Norwex, Plexus, or Partylite huns but did find this on Doterra:

 

DOTERRA HUN

Had to pay $180 minimum to join + a non-refundable application fee of $35.

Lower level huns can earn up to $1,600 USD annually.  (can totes buy a private island).

Doterra hunfo

Her FB info:

Doterra Hun  – Doterra Oils  1 like on post.   Had a stall at Lion’s club.  41 people like page.  15 views on her live.  Offering ‘sip and chats” and local bookstore.  Very little engagement.
i.e. Asks for RSVPs to a DoTerra event in Fredericton, and offers an exclusive giveaway to anyway who posts below about what they want to learn more about at the event.  No one posts.

Quick maths shows over $10k has flowed out of Miramichi due to MLMs.

 

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“I put the whole lot on eBay. It must’ve been worth several hundreds of pounds, and I got about £30 back.” Today: Usborne & Forever Living ex-bots speak

 

In this post, we’re combining 2 stories from some of the women who have come to us.  The first story is from someone in Usborne books, and the second is from an ex-rep of Forever Living.  Read on…

Back in 2013, I had a little part-time business selling gift baskets & pamper hampers, which I used to sell at craft fairs, community events, etc. Whilst at one, I met an Usborne seller, who was keen to tell me about the benefits of working for them & that I could do it alongside my full-time job and part-time biz. I had no experience of MLMs, but have always loved books, and thinking this was a long established, reputable firm, I signed up.

 

I got a few orders from friends & family, but could not do school events, coffee mornings etc due to my f/t job. I tried numerous times to book into local weekend events, but most times, my manager or one of her friends had got there first. I started to struggle, but then got offered (and pretty much told to take) a summer fete at the nursery half a mile from my house. I was delighted and put everything into making it a great event. When it came around, it was a burning hot day & I was based outside. People kept coming to look at the books, but no-one was interested in buying, which was pretty depressing. I then got told by someone that worked there that the manager’s friend had been in that week and secured a several hundred pound order – hence no-one wanting to buy!

 

A few months later, the manager asked me to cover another event for her as she’d double booked, and yep, similar thing happened. Eventually, after months of battling to try & get orders from my locality, I decided to quit. I tried selling my stock at a discounted rate to other sellers, including my manager, but all said they didn’t need it. So, wanting rid, I put the whole lot on eBay. It must’ve been worth several hundreds of pounds, and I got about £30 back. And who bought it? Yep, the manager who didn’t need anything.

 

So yes I was naive, but even with a decent biz brain & lots of motivation, all I did was lose money. The obsession, as with all these companies was recruit, recruit, recruit, but there was no way I would rip friends off, so I lost out. Moral of the story is don’t assume that these long-running companies have any more integrity than the Youniques and Juice Plus Types, because in my experience, they don’t xx.

 

The End.

 

“She wanted me to register my husband as an FBO in order to get the 2cc’s she needed to obtain her promotion and she would pay me and transfer the £199 it would cost to do that.”

 

Hiiiiiiiii Huuuun!
So, just over a year ago I became a victim of the fucking shit “company” known as Forever Living so I thought I would share my (fairly long) story with you. Sorry!!!

 

Having sat on my ass enjoying the high life for approximately 8 months longer than my husband ideally wanted, my sister in law told me about this”ammmmaaaaazzzzzziiinnnngggggg” business opportunity. Fuckever Living as it’s known in my household.
At £199 to initially start up the alarm bells were already starting to ring but being family, I didn’t feel I could back out.

Endless bullshit you tube training video later I was even more dubious – I actually think I’m a fairly happy person 80% of the time and don’t need to watch “the secret” every morning at 6am, I mean Jesus, I have two kids and a husband that require dressing and feeding – who seriously has time for that shit?????
My area was new to FL so I found it pretty easy to sell the products and done pretty well within the first 4 weeks and got myself a “promotion” to supervisor.
I was always a little aware of the ‘higher archly’, being my manager and golden sodding eagle or whatever she was because frankly I thought she was a patronising twat, so I never ever posted anything on the “secret” groups. I was never congratulated for making them shit loads of money because it was made quite aware to me that my face and my Facebook profile didn’t fit and/or meet requirement. (Sometimes I just wanted to tell the world what a fucking shite day I was having!!!!!!!!!!)

I did however enter the every single incentive they did (who doesn’t like a freebie) and never got a single thing.
So I kept a suspiciously close eye on these “amaaaaazzzzing incentives” and found one that I knew I would qualify for:
If you earned 12 cc’s before the 15th of the month you would be taken on a log cabin retreat. I knew that I had managed to do that and low and behold after several messages to the “senior manager” the trip was “postponed due to illness”. I then started messaging other fbo’s who I didn’t know to find out whether they had received their “prize” and guess what NOPE!!!

A week later another bogus incentive for a spa weekend presented itself via FB and so I commented on it telling everyone not to waste there damn energy and for the love of god go and spend some time with their families.
Obviously, after that I had an email from a forever “official” and a few pushed off messages from my team manager (ignored).
After that I pretty much sacked it off until I had a phone call from my then assistant manager ask me for a HUGE favour….
She wanted me to register my husband as an FBO in order to get the 2cc’s she needed to obtain her promotion and she would pay me and transfer the £199 it would cost to do that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA – NO!!!!!

The day after that I cancelled my registration with them and now continually spam the sites & pages until I get thrown off of them.
Dickheads, all them!